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The Nicene Creed: Historical Notes
1. The Divinity of Jesus Christ
One of the characteristics of false gospels and cults is a corruption of Christian doctrine and with that a falsifying of Christian church history. With respect to the doctrine of the Trinity set forth in the Nicene Creed it is commonly claimed by these heretics that the doctrine in the creed was decided by the recently converted emperor Constantine. Such assertions are a deliberate deceit perpetrated on the ill-informed. The doctrine of the Trinity was set forth by the church father Athanasius who was the leading theologian of the church in that era and at the council. For a treatment of Athanasius and his history go to Portraits of Faithful Saints: Athanasius
The cults who make these false claims are themselves usually Arian heretics who want to teach that Jesus is like God, that he is a godlike being, but not true and eternal God. The creed was written expressly to condemn the Arian error. The most notable of these non-Christian cults are the so-called Jehovah's Witnesses, followers of Russell, and publishers of the Watchtower.
There is a distinction to be made between an error and a heresy. An error is a misunderstanding of Scripture. An error becomes heresy when it is pointed out as error and false doctrine, and the one holding it persists, after having been shown his error, to continue in it willfully.
The point of the Nicene Creed, which builds on the Apostles Creed is to maintain faithfully the true, divine glory of Jesus Christ. The heart of the creed is the expression "...And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made." The Creed has John 1:1-3, 14 directly in view. Jesus is God come in the flesh. This is also the testimony of the rest of Scripture. He is Immanuel, "God with us." Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23.
This is Jesus' own claim. God in Exodus 3:14 reveals His divine name "I AM THAT I AM," and tells Moses he is to say, "I AM hath sent me unto you." Jesus in John 8:58 declares, "Before Abraham was, I am." In John 10:30 Jesus says, "I and my Father are one. " Jesus claims to be THE ETERNAL I AM, the living God. The unbelieving Jews understand exactly His claim. In John 10 they proceed to take up stones to stone Him, because, "thou being a man makest thyself God," John 10:33. When Jesus is on trial before the Sanhedrin, the council of elders, He is put under oath by the High priest, "I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God," Matthew 26:63. The point at issue in all of these confrontations is whether Jesus is divine. Jesus' answer to the high priest is, "Thou hast said," Matthew 26:64. This is an unmistakable "yes." That Jesus is God is therefore His own testimony concerning Himself. See also Hebrews 1:1-3
The further revisions of the Nicene Creed did not alter the truth that Jesus is divine in any respect. It is the historic confession of true Biblical Christianity.
Let's examine the truth in its fullness. Truth is never fragmented for it is not ours but God's. It never suits our beliefs, which we often support with isolated verses without the complete meaning of the context. Making up own beliefs is the continuation of paganism.
Let's start with the words Jesus said about Himself:
[John 5:30-32] 30 “I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. [31] “If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true. [32] There is another who testifies of Me, and I know that the testimony which He gives about Me is true.
Clearly, Jesus points to the Father and constantly so. As the record of His words will show, at the end of this article, He includes His disciples and through them also us in the divine unit, not Jesus alone. If Jesus is singled out as God then who are we, evolved apes? Yet, we have the divine gift of reason which those stuck in self-righteous religious conceit refuse to use.
Regarding John 10:30 “I and the Father are one” - He who holds the mirror, Jesus, is one with what/whom He holds; hence, Jesus reflects the Father and by doing so He is one with the Father. The Father reflects the Son and the Son reflects the Father; something we are called to be and do.
[34] Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? [35] If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), [36] do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
Again, Jesus includes us in the divine unit. If prophets hear God’s voice and transmit God’s word to us then the prophets are like microphones and amplifiers, one with God when God uses them. As vessels on earth the reflect. But when Jesus was dying on the cross He said: [Mark 15:34]
At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” which is translated, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?”
God’s Son and God’s vessel was separated from the divine unit, because the world’s sins were pinned to Him and to the cross. As the record will later show Jesus did it of His own volition by obeying the Father’s commandment.
[John 14:12] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
The Almighty God was never conceived having no beginning, Jesus was begotten (only begotten speaks of the unique special because He is the FiRSTBORN of God). Why dos it matter? You can have religion based on the above or be part of God's family as siblings of Christ.
[John 14:28] I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. - Position of Bishop Arius in 330-325 under Emperor Constantine and the Nicene Creed.
Jesus receives a commandment from the Father and obeys it:
[John 8:18] “I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”
About Trinity:
[Matthew 24:36] “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.”
If the there are or one mind and one Spirit and unit how come Jesus does not know about the timing of His return?
The Only Begotten Son
[John 20:17] “Go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
After resurrection Jesus reveals to us the absolute Truth about our relationship with Him.
The Firstborn Son of God
[Zechariah 12:10] “So that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.”
[Luke 2:23] (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “EVERY firstborn MALE THAT OPENS THE WOMB SHALL BE CALLED HOLY TO THE LORD”),
[Romans 8:29] For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren.
[Colossians 1:15] He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
[Colossians 1:18] He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
[Hebrews 1:6] He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.”
The Great I AM has no beginning, if He did then we would need to look for another God who begot God.
Jesus was conceived, begotten born in heaven and on earth. God can have only one firstborn those who come to the Father through His firstborn Son Yeshua (Salvation) (not Yahoshua) come back to the only one God. Hence the Parable of the Prodigal son, who wanted to be the least of his father’s slaves, yet the Father accepted him as His son anyway.
God is Spirit
[John 4:22-24] You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. [23] But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. [24] God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
The Father Dependence
Jesus never claimed to be the Almighty God but one with the Father, Immanuel - God with us - via mirroring and reflecting. Whatever the Father said the Son said and whatever the Father did the Son did likewise.
[John 5:19 &30] Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.” [30] “I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.”
On His own… can do nothing. Therefore, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob remains the same Spirit God, but depicted on earth through earthen vessels, even through His FIRSTBORN Son and His siblings, us.
Once you let yourself be deceived, and we have been; since the Nicene Creed, which the Protestants inherited and run with, all other scriptures become problematic and unclear. Does God want us to have clarity regarding His nature, heart and that of His Kingdom? Yes. Why? As Ephesians 4:13 states we attain to the unity (ONE GOD) and the Knowledge of the Firstborn Son of God.—His Messianism is not locked in “the Son of the Living God” stance, but rather Him being God’s Firstborn, for according to Jesus we are His siblings. If we are excluded from being His brothers and sisters then who are we, religious evolved apes trying to do what and becoming… what? Does the Almighty want you to run with nonsense, which blind beliefs breed? Blind beliefs were forced upon us under death threat for political reasons. You may be politically/religiously correct - according to an organized and fixed creed, but incorrect in your relationship with God, why? Because you do not KNOW Him as He truly is.
Either we know Him according to His already revealed truth or according to what we want and choose to believe, which is not much different from paganism. Pagans chose their own beliefs, made-up religion, liturgies and a god. Greeks and Romans prayed a lot but only the favor of gods. They did whatever they wished seeking approval of their gods; hence, ceremonies that followed were to make-believe that they got the favor and blessing. What’s the difference today? Not much. We go our own way and pray and feel pious about it, without bothering to study our God according to logic and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit.
If Jesus asked the Father to take the cup of suffering away from Him and then He yielded to the Father’s commandment (John 10:17-18) then where is the Trinity? In the same chapter He also asserts the fact that we are gods for God’s word comes to us. He is The Son of God and we are sons of God (Mat. 5:9, Romans 8:14 & 19).
Question? Whose word comes to you? If it’s man’s doctrinal and twisted every possible way word then you are indeed excluded from the divine unit; you are not God’s child nor the sibling of Christ (Yeshua - Salvation). That which you long for is right in from of you.
[Matthew 26:39] “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”
If you insist on Trinity then include me in it too; if you can’t include yourself. I am not the firstborn, for the Father can have only one firstborn with all the power (according to the Torah) that belongs to the firstborns, even the power to judge righteously. After the firstborn come others because there is no need to mention the firstborn if the Father has no other children, is there?
[Numbers 3:13] “All the firstborn are Mine.” And many more verses.
But I am the next after-born; therefore, I go through the door of the Good Shepherd back to the Father and on the Way, the Truth and the Life TO the Father. If that Way was just a way; would it be the true way, living way or just some fanaticism-breeding religious way?
[Mark 13:26-27; 31-32] Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. [27] And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. [31] Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. [32] But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.”
Again, where is Trinity in this? Do you still fear? Am I insulting your religion? Hardly. Do you want to attain to the full knowledge of the truth? What’s in that fullness? Definitely, religion is not found in the Truth but complete liberation from it.
[John 4:22-24] You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. [23] But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. [24] God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
The Father Dependence
Jesus never claimed to be the Almighty God but one with the Father, Immanuel - God with us - via mirroring and reflecting. Whatever the Father said the Son said and whatever the Father did the Son did likewise.
[John 5:19 &30] Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.” [30] “I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.”
On His own… can do nothing. Therefore, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob remains the same Spirit God, but depicted on earth through earthen vessels, even through His FIRSTBORN Son and His siblings, us.
Once you let yourself be deceived, and we have been; since the Nicene Creed, which the Protestants inherited and run with, all other scriptures become problematic and unclear. Does God want us to have clarity regarding His nature, heart and that of His Kingdom? Yes. Why? As Ephesians 4:13 states we attain to the unity (ONE GOD) and the Knowledge of the Firstborn Son of God.—His Messianism is not locked in “the Son of the Living God” stance, but rather Him being God’s Firstborn, for according to Jesus we are His siblings. If we are excluded from being His brothers and sisters then who are we, religious evolved apes trying to do what and becoming… what? Does the Almighty want you to run with nonsense, which blind beliefs breed? Blind beliefs were forced upon us under death threat for political reasons. You may be politically/religiously correct - according to an organized and fixed creed, but incorrect in your relationship with God, why? Because you do not KNOW Him as He truly is.
Either we know Him according to His already revealed truth or according to what we want and choose to believe, which is not much different from paganism. Pagans chose their own beliefs, made-up religion, liturgies and a god. Greeks and Romans prayed a lot but only the favor of gods. They did whatever they wished seeking approval of their gods; hence, ceremonies that followed were to make-believe that they got the favor and blessing. What’s the difference today? Not much. We go our own way and pray and feel pious about it, without bothering to study our God according to logic and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit.
If Jesus asked the Father to take the cup of suffering away from Him and then He yielded to the Father’s commandment (John 10:17-18) then where is the Trinity? In the same chapter He also asserts the fact that we are gods for God’s word comes to us. He is The Son of God and we are sons of God (Mat. 5:9, Romans 8:14 & 19).
Question? Whose word comes to you? If it’s man’s doctrinal and twisted every possible way word then you are indeed excluded from the divine unit; you are not God’s child nor the sibling of Christ (Yeshua - Salvation). That which you long for is right in from of you.
[Matthew 26:39] “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”
If you insist on Trinity then include me in it too; if you can’t include yourself. I am not the firstborn, for the Father can have only one firstborn with all the power (according to the Torah) that belongs to the firstborns, even the power to judge righteously. After the firstborn come others because there is no need to mention the firstborn if the Father has no other children, is there?
[Numbers 3:13] “All the firstborn are Mine.” And many more verses.
But I am the next after-born; therefore, I go through the door of the Good Shepherd back to the Father and on the Way, the Truth and the Life TO the Father. If that Way was just a way; would it be the true way, living way or just some fanaticism-breeding religious way?
[Mark 13:26-27; 31-32] Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. [27] And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. [31] Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. [32] But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.”
Again, where is Trinity in this? Do you still fear? Am I insulting your religion? Hardly. Do you want to attain to the full knowledge of the truth? What’s in that fullness? Definitely, religion is not found in the Truth but complete liberation from it.
